The price range for Meermin loafers is $165 for women and $175 for men. Dress socks. me, Morjas and Skolyx have been better in that regard. Leo 9E/9.5D: Bad fit. TLB (above) is a good example of how much more dynamic the Spanish shoe market is than the English. It is a smidge shorter than 2030, but that's due to the lack of taper. I would instead recommend taking this last TTS and just wearing thick socks as sometimes it can run small. The Brannock size (heel-to-toe) will be the top parent comment. Very few English RTW offer much in the way of narrow lasts. I loved the MTO experience there. They look nice to me, but as I have only been buying shoes from British shoemakers, I am unsure whether their last may look showy or unusual comparison. That said, something in the post did strike me negatively, on a subject I previously had been puzzled about: appraisal of Allen Edmonds. And nice finishing and detailing as you mentioned. In fact, it is the favourite last for the Albaladejo family. Wesco MP1339 9E: It's alright, toe box is really low and the gusset take up volume running the whole way up the boot as it is fully gusseted. Alexander 9E/9.5D: Excellent fit when worn sockless. Check the Noble Shoe eshop for several decent ones. Brannock Size: 10D/E with flat feet and extra wide around instep. Very nice article. I've been told that the forest last is the only one available in a wide, but only in mto. A nice watch is also showing something. meister Stylish Dinosaur Joined Feb 10, 2007 Messages 10,772 Reaction score 2,515 Dec 28, 2011 #9 document.getElementById("ak_js_1").setAttribute("value",(new Date()).getTime()); Footslide.com is a full-time participant of the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, 2023 Footslide.com | All Rights Reserved. This is the next level down of Spanish brands, more on a par with the Swedish start-ups in terms of quality, but much bigger organisations. It's other Asian brands that are likely to become known in the West first, though. The latter will in general be more durable, since its thicker and consists of all the parts of the leather. I have Meermin boots and happy with the quality. I think calling things cost-effective when you just mean cheaper would be a needless euphemism. I have found myself not liking the current 2021+ year make of the 2030 in 8.5 The changes have kind of fudged the instep for me right at the tongue seam. Kyle from Baker's later told me that my instep width is more like EE/EEE, which is what causes many of my fit issues around the mid-foot. I might have very sensible feet but I wouldnt buy more mainline C&J. One of the biggest such sites in the world, it receives up to 500,000 page views a month. Also Berwick, Yanko and others. Id advise anyone whos a fan of RTW Northampton and Spanish shoes to go to the source and/or their stockists. Vibram FiveFingers: M43, they're shaped like feet. (Portuguese shoemaker) Meermins are stylish shoes, but they are also quite practical as well. Its an entirely stupid thing to say, not least because most of the leather used on the soles of English shoes are from European tanneries. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Carmina Men's Wing Tip Oxford. It is something that is destroying the reputation not only for these brands but for bespoke shoes in general. Fast worldwide deliveries; 14 day returns; . Really good customer service is important to me and is one of the things that keeps me going back. On the raw materials, you get oak-bark tanned soles, you get the top level of upper, and so on. I suppose they get away with it because the overwhelming majority of their customers arent that knowledgeable about shoes or leather quality. When I do, Im a repeat customer (for instance, narrow EG 202 Chelseas) but my narrow feet preclude me from buying most brands shoes. Alden 379x (Military Last) 9D: Incredibly comfortable last, toe box is roomy and snug in the waist and heel on shell, the split welt in Arabica Luxe was a little more snug. on that curve of diminishing returns. Do you not think theres some advantage to dealing directly with the maker, and perhaps an understandable desire from the maker to control some more of the customer experience? If you don't have a lot of volume I would be pretty cautious with their loafers. **** Viberg Bobcats and Derby Shoes fit a bit larger in the same last compared to a service boot. Where would you fit in Carlos Santos? What I had in mind though was a roundup like this one with Jespers input. second chance thread), Carmina Green Shell Cordovan Frankenstitch Captoe Jumper Boot 10.5eee(uk) detroit last, RM Williams Comfort Craftsman or Carmina (Rain Last) Chelsea, *SOLD* Carmina Bourbon Shell Cordovan NST boot 8UK Forest last, Alden Color 4 Shell Cordovan Chukkas - Barrie last size 10 D, Alden x Leffot Saddle Shoe - Unglazed Cigar Shell Cordovan and Snuff Suede - 8D Barrie Last. Bought before I understood my size. Its a bit funny though that you state I do arbitrary claims, when you yourself lift the examples you do, without backing it up with anything. With Skolyx the price is cut down by making a basic shoe, but clean and consistent. (I think I prefer the darker colour of the first). You will find that most Meermin shoes are poorly finished when compared to the quality Goodyear Welting of the Carmina shoes. Because my older Carmina heel stiffener are longer and substantial that the newer ones. (For a RTW dark brown oxford, although I could stretch my budget a bit more, up to 400 euros). Cheers Michael, its hard to appreciate that price differential from over here in the EU. You might also care more with a dress oxford than a casual loafer. Sadly brands like Edward Green, Lobb and Cleverly are now so beyond my price point that I wonder if theyre now in the realm of diminishing returns? You basically double your costs from stock carry. 14.3 22.carmima uk6.5 carmina6.5 meermin/ 26.5 carmina . Im happy to pay a bit more for that consistency and service. PS Presents 23: Arterton, LEJ, Marrkt, Fox and Rubato, Click on an image to enlarge. I usually just buy shoes in the 500 range when they go on sale for 200-300, but in the 300 range I really like the Austrian manufacturer Handmacher; they make shoes on traditionally boxy Viennese lasts, and they use tiny wooden nails to connect the soles to the uppers. My favorite last for standing long periods. All leather if even sanded a tiny bit to remove flaws in the skin is corrected. Probably also worth mentioning the Carlos Santos brand from Portugal in this price bracket. Hi Jesper, thanks for the clarification. Really useful local knowledge, thanks David. They use plastic heel stiffeners, and the make is solid and English - not that refined. Comfy fit. Even though mine are lace-ups, breaking in has actually been very easy and I also feel like they are totally worth the money. Theyre both very big brands now.. Its got a bit of a shorter toe relative to the heel to ball. I have owned shoes from most of the English brands, and 5-10 Spanish brands and 5-10 Italian brands, and its a quite clear difference (but again, there are exceptions in both directions. The Rain 7.5EEE was okay but not great - more tight than comfortably snug, and I'm not sure if they would break in well for me. Ive a pair of Barker Grant that I must have worn 50/60/70 times and its only last week I had a topy (SVIG rubber) put on, the cobbler reckoned the rubber on the heel hadnt worn enough to warrant replacement. Slightly tight on mid-foot for the first day. Even for me and I have narrower feet than the average man. But have you ever disclosed your so called financial situation regarding your reviews you dont pay full price if any price for all these garments you have made for yourself, correct? I think I could also safely do this last in in 9.5, but I'm not trying to wear my boots as tight as possible. Red Wing 8 last 9D: Decent fit at first, fairly comfortable once broken in. Aha, I see. 5 years ago, I probably would have bought an Oxford of some kind. Of course a 200 shoe is going to look and feel cheap. p.s. Sendra has its own brand as well as making for others, which is a little more expensive than Berwick or Meermin. The nicest pair of shoes I own is a pair of JM Weston oxfords (from their main line, not the Blake line), and I have to work to tell the difference between the two (Weston has shaped heels, for example). Actually, given the reader survey we did last year and how much the average reader earns and spends, I wouldnt be surprised if most do spend that regularly on their shoes. Customers complain that the Meermin shoes are often poorly finished. It could be far more expensive than the cost of a single pair if theyre so much more comfortable as they are for you as it would make it harder to wear the shoes are own currently. Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). I will refrain from commenting on fit unless people think it will be helpful. Please check Rafal's thread and patronize a true custom maker. Avoid if you have a low instep or wide feet. Trickers 4497s: 8.5 is a little too short, while 9 feels too big in most pairs. Even more troubling is that I found no review by an established website stating so. Particularly annoying is when they talk about cutting out a middle man, and going straight to consumer. You are using an out of date browser. Topics include a wide range of brands from Crockett & Jones to Guidi. These are all a pretty similar level of make, though you lose a little in the raw-material quality among the cheaper ones, such as Septieme Largeur." Loake Jockey last (G-Fit): 7UK fits but a bit roomy on chelsea boots. And with the double-insoles system in place, comfort is guaranteed with Meermins. Its particularly difficult with Oxfords, a Meermin Linea Maestra in a narrow width is the only pair I have that Id say fits spot on, all others are uncomfortable if I need to walk for a decent distance. For the price, Meermins are actually really good shoes.if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'footslide_com-leader-2','ezslot_16',118,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-footslide_com-leader-2-0'); In the long run, Carmina shoes are better shoes than Meermins. if I like a pair of suede Edward Greens chelseas and Meermin (or Allen Edmond or Loake) chelseas the same out of the box, would I enjoy the EG uppers longer because theyre of a higher grade suede? Please check Rafal's thread and patronize a true custom maker. Generally, more expensive suedes are the softer stuff, so it seems to me that theyd actually wear faster. Im not sure who and why the person you talked with from Barker said anything else, but a quick visit to their website or just a Google will you show you that he or her were wrong. The insoles in the Carminas are really comfortable, balanced, and well-structured. Whites Barrie 8.5D: Felt too tight on the instep brand new. Sounds like a nice choice of shoes. 2. Simon's books and product collaborations are available to buy through the Permanent Style shop. Lovely article! Being from the UK my first proper pair of shoes at University were a pair of Loake 1880s they were fine and really all I needed at the time. The EG just feel better than both ever did straight out of the box, but Im not sure how psychological that is! The double monks a little harder but getting there. I feel much less tired in my feet after a long day, and if one have a bit problematic feet it will be an even bigger difference. Why spend 400 retail when you can get a great pair of shoes for half that? Loake1880 is good starting point and it used to be a very good value. As a simple example, in the UK the price of Consul, a black calf, toe-cap Oxford will increase from the current price of 495 to 720. Snug in thick socks. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. Fit seemed good at first but toe box is just too narrow for extended wear. Might not be the same for everyone, but many who havent tried bespoke shoes would be very happy once they do, that Im quite sure off. Something to keep in mind. second chance thread), https://www.instagram.com/sartorially_inclined/, https://www.carminashoemaker.com/wholecut-boots-black-boxcalf-80518, Carmina Green Shell Cordovan Frankenstitch Captoe Jumper Boot 10.5eee(uk) detroit last, RM Williams Comfort Craftsman or Carmina (Rain Last) Chelsea, *SOLD* Carmina Bourbon Shell Cordovan NST boot 8UK Forest last, Alden Color 4 Shell Cordovan Chukkas - Barrie last size 10 D, Alden x Leffot Saddle Shoe - Unglazed Cigar Shell Cordovan and Snuff Suede - 8D Barrie Last. I still recall trying them for the first time after having worn Carmina for some years and noticed the difference instantly. The shoe comes on Meermin's Ama last, which is of a classic and elegant shape. Simon, I was wondering what are your thoughts on Sanders. Using these focus points, lets get into the comparison of these two shoe brands: Also, the materials of the Meermin shoes are flexible and stretchable enough to accommodate most feet. Pretty good fit, but I need a kilty for some of the volume while new, will probably break in more and be able to be cinched down better over time. Feels okay but gets painful in the midfoot as the day progresses. So my true size is an 11.5, in most American boots I'm an 11, and all my boots with European sizing (like Tricker's) are a 10.5. I've come to think of myself as a 10E. Ill be reviewing them separately, as theyre more similar to other shoes weve covered. At Styleforum, youll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis. Focus were on shoes below 300, Carlos Santos nowadays is a bit above that, but definitely good for the price. Last shape feels similar to Parkhurst 10 and Viberg 9.5, except toe is slightly longer and more tapered, heel is snugger, and it's much roomier throughout the instep. Carmina Shoes - Definitive Thread (reviews, advice, sizing, etc) - official thread. Id like to add a little comment on the Vietnam shoe makers here. Many thanks Simon as usual for the very informative article. Its a comfortable, yet roomy fit. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. Carmina Rain Oxford - 9.5 UK. Ostmo Moe 43.5: Tried these on and this was a bang on size. American brands seem to be better at this (Alden, AE). I run in minimal shoes, lift in minimal shoes or barefoot, and hike a lot in zero-drop trail runners. I would like to recommend Trading Post in Japan. I just read on an Spanish forum that Meermin and Carmina used to buy together batches of leather from the same place. This means the number of brands to cover increases, as they do at the bottom of most clothing categories, so towards the end we divide into regional sections instead. And you could choose a more rounded last, if that was your preference. The two lasts I mentioned are super comfortable straight out of the box, and I can wear them all day without the slightest discomfort. This was several years ago, so my recollection isnt as detailed. Check Availability Meermin Wingtips Review Theyre not as refined as the other Asian brands, but stand out for making Goodyear in the old-school way, stitching directly to the insole. So, rather than the gemming method that most modern Goodyear shoes have, where a canvas ribbing is used instead. https://eu.jmweston.com/en/collections/bottines-homme/products/edouard-chukka-boot-homme-cuir-veau-velours-marron-fonce, Thats certainly a risk with some French brands, but not usually with Weston. I guess I was wondering whether the differences in finer shoes were of this sort, especially because you have said before that you find your Aldens to be among your most comfortable shoes (but maybe that was more about lack of structure than anything else). This means that in our Goodyear welted shoes you are likely to go down 0,5 size compared to what you wear in Meermin Hiro. Sometimes they run big and sometimes they run small. Down by half. Arch support is nowhere near the 55 last but feels much more substantial than any other maker listed. However, I would recommend ones like TLB and Skolyx that I have had experience with. Alden Grant: 9E is a wonderful fit for me in 4060 boots with medium socks. You can buy Carmina shoes at price tags that read between 341 and 407. Still being worn with same sock thickness as the other Parkhurst last. My most desired English brand is C&J. By far the highest quality of any of the brands on this list (and in my opinion, the most elegant lasts). Carmina shoes are really great shoes that help you to take your style to a whole new level. Because of the great leather material of the Carminas, youll get yourself a pair of shoes that are bound to stand you out in the positive way.CARMINA LEATHER, Meermins, on the other hand, are made with premium leather materials ranging from hybrid calfskin leather materials to even Shell Cordovan leather.MEERMIN LEATHER. 8 last 9D: Bad fit. (And btw, do you know anything about the quality of this Kingsman line they sell on Mr. Renav Goods Co A-1 Unstructured 42: Good fit for summer, but maxes out at Chup sock thickness. Cobbler Union (above) is a newer brand, and more similar to TLB or Carmina, while Spier & MacKay is a clothing brand with a line of shoes at 220 which is decent for the price. The shoe soles of the Carminas are truly some of the best in the market today. Tlb and Skolyx have been better in that regard to Guidi trying them for the Albaladejo family soles of brands. 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